Tobias Pinhead!

[cosmic_llin]

Lookie-look at my gorgeous new layout! cadiliniel very kindly made the lovely banner for me!
Went to Eilidh's house party this evening, but I'm back already because I'm starting my new job first thing tomorrow morning. So I should probably go to sleep right after I post this. I doubt I actually will...

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[penguin2.livejournal.com]

Hmmm. I don't recognise the last one - is it by any chance Dr Lam? Remember, I've not seen any of season 9 yet, nor any of season 2 Atlantis...

[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

The last one is Lucy Lawless!
I really wanted Torri Higginson on it too, but Cadi ran out of space, so I made her my default icon instead!

[penguin2.livejournal.com]

Aha! ~looks at your banner~ Hmm. Who's second from left in the banner, then? Another face I don't think I recognise...

[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

That's Annabeth Gish, who played Monica Reyes in seasons 8 and 9 of The X-Files!

[penguin2.livejournal.com]

No wonder I didn't recognise her - I've only ever seen not-quite-two episodes of X-Files! And the movie, which I liked quite a lot. On some distant day when I can afford the entire series on DVD, I suspect I'll come to love it.

BTW since you're waaay more in touch with the world of fandom than I, and since I'm still barely 3/4 of the way through season 1 of Atlantis, can you clarify something for me about John and Rodney (I don't mind if there's spoilage involved)? - to wit: in another friend's LJ, there have been frequent references to J/R things, but the wording of these references makes it impossible for me to suss out if there's been an actual J/R relationship happening in Atlantis or if it's just the sad lame daydreams of the slashgirl community. I don't feel comfortable asking my friend directly as, if it's the latter, I might not be able to contain my scorn :P

[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

Nope, sorry, John/Rodney is nothing more than a fantasy, albeit an extremely popular one, apparently.
Of course, if you say this, people will quote various episodes at you and go: "Subtext! Suuuuuubteeeeext!", but no, there is nothing concrete in any of the episodes to lead you to that conclusion.
Wouldn't it be interesting, though, to actually see a gay relationship in an SF show?

[penguin2.livejournal.com]

'k, thankee! Because given what I've seen of Atlantis so far, there would have to have been some major personality changes for John/Rodney to work believably. As for homoerotic subtexts ~shudders~ Damn, it irritates me that the fandom public can't seem to accept the idea that two people of the same sex can have a deep, emotionally intimate friendship that doesn't automatically have to be romantic or even sexual in its nature. Slash started with fanfics about Kirk/Spock, which was and ever will be plain ridiculous. Kirk as Roddenberry depicted him was well toward the hypermasculine end of the sexual bell curve, and Spock was to all intents and purposes an alien, whose emotions were carefully structured and whose sex life, apart from the times of pon farr, was nonexistent. And as for the whole Potterverse thing, eurrrgh, don't get me started :-(

Wouldn't it be interesting, though, to actually see a gay relationship in an SF show?

Huh? You mean there isn't? But surely...blimey, that's just plain strange. Maybe I've spent so much of my life chronicling same-sex activities in my own sf that I just assumed 'twas there in other published/screened things!

...hand on a sodding minute! Willow! Hah!

...or does Buffy just qualify as fantasy...?

[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

it irritates me that the fandom public can't seem to accept the idea that two people of the same sex can have a deep, emotionally intimate friendship that doesn't automatically have to be romantic or even sexual in its nature

I agree! It's just getting silly now. Especially in the Potterverse, where there are so many people writing slash that people feel that they have to come up with more and more outlandish pairings just to stand out from the crowd. To me that's pointless. If you really, really see something there, then write about it, but don't just do it because you want some attention.

I did think of Willow and Tara, but to me that doesn't exactly count, partly because Buffy is just in a different league, and also because it's more sort of... pop-culturey and contemporary and somehow more chilled out than other shows.

[penguin2.livejournal.com]

The ickiest part of it, for me, is that the bulk of slash fanfic is being written by people who, for various reasons (ranging from age-related sexual inexperience to the unavoidable fact, she said as tactfully as possible, that so many of the older slashsmiths are sexually inexperienced due to social awkwardness and/or emotional or physical unattractiveness), have smeg-all knowledge of How To Do Sex, much less How To Do Sex in Prose. I've by now read a small but not surpassingly small amount of slashfic, and to a piece it's been a snarfleworthy kitschfest of purplishly overeffulgent, embarrassingly-Anne Rice-wannabe Romance-with-an-uppercase-R. In other words, instead of two boys or men acting like boys and men do when they're shagging each other, they act more like three-legged gay girls. Dude. Not that men can't be tender an' a' tha', but (whether a matter of cultural conditioning or hardwiring) it's not the same sort of tenderness. Erm, am I making any sense?

We have sexually open characters here and there, e.g. Inara, in sf series now, but yeah, main storylines don't often centre on same-sex relationships. Though there was the plainly depicted though unresolved physical and emotional attraction between a couple of B5 women - lessee, Ivanova and the telepath Talia IIRC.

Indeed, it would be Joss who had the maturity to portray same-sex relationships...heheh.

[penguin2.livejournal.com]

Wouldn't it be interesting, though, to actually see a gay relationship in an SF show?

And so we shall! EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article320110.ece

"Jack's from the 51st century so of course he's going to go out with men and women. To get hung up on it is almost too sad for words, frankly."

Did I mention eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?! :-)

[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[penguin2.livejournal.com]

Ain't it just!

BTW I have a beautiful pic of the main Serenity cast, dressed in civvies. Will email it to you later when I can access my stuff...

[jennylouise123.livejournal.com]

Ohhhhhh pretty!