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[cosmic_llin]

Hmm... has anyone ever noticed - practically all the judges in Star Trek are women?

There's Philippa Louvois in The Measure of a Man, Norah Satie in The Drumhead, Els Renora in Dax, Makbar in Tribunal, T'Lara in Rules of Engagement... can anyone think of any more? Or any male examples to balance them out?

Even in the Original Series there was a female prosecutor, Areel Shaw, although in that case the judge was male.

I dunno, I quite like the idea that in the future, law becomes, for whatever reason, a female-dominated profession.

(X-posted to cc_sff)

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[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think when I read it, it was quoted out of context, which seems unfair, so I’m glad she actually did say the second part! And yeah, I’d have to agree with you on the whole role models issue – portraying queers as saints is almost as unhelpful as the opposite. It does concern me though that there seems to be a trend (particularly, from my POV, in SF&F – but that could just be because that’s my genre) for using bisexuality/homosexuality as shorthand for ‘evil in a slightly squicky way’. I’m thinking of characters like Baron Harkonnen in Dune. The Intendant as an individual character doesn’t bother me, but the trend does, a bit. See more examples here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepravedBisexual

But yeah, Mirror!Ezri/Mirror!Leeta FT epic W. There should be fic. Maybe I’ll write some when I’m done with my Deanna/K’Eylehr… or you should write some!

Yeah, I count Dax as queer, although I get the feeling a lot of the writing staff/production team didn’t. I really love Rejoined too – I hear some people have an issue with it because they see it as a story about a lesbian couple choosing not to be together because of what other people think, but what I like about it is how the same-sex aspect of their relationship isn’t even an issue, for anyone. More writing like that please, Trek.

It’s true, DS9 is the queerest of the Treks. Even not including the examples we’ve already mentioned, there are scattered moments that give the impression that DS9 is the kind of place where pretty much anything goes as long as it’s between consenting adults. I love the scene in Rules of Acquisition where Jadzia realises that Pel is in love with Quark, but hasn’t figured out she’s female.

In fact, DS9 seems to be the most liberal and realistic of the Treks in terms of sex/relationships generally – I mean, practically every time Deanna hooked up with someone it went terribly wrong, and Beverly wasn’t allowed so much as kiss unless she’d fallen madly in love with the guy. The people on DS9 date, occasionally have casual sex, break up amicably and otherwise, have marriage problems, have attractions to people other than their partners, flirt with people they meet at the bar... with TNG and VOY, it tended to be love-interest-of-the-week or True Love Forever, with not a lot in between.

[sophia-gratia.livejournal.com]

Okay, I had to read this like three times because I couldn't get past when I'm done with my Deanna/K'Eylehr – OMG OMG OMG, O. M. F. G. Want. NOW. ::is dead of swooning:: You are such a winner, Llin. Such. A winner.

I do agree with what you say about The Depraved Bisexual (awesome TV Trope, and one which I hadn't seen). The other major SF&F fail in terms of Poor Use Of Queerness is Terry Goodkind's statement, in constructing the Mord'Sith, that you can only be a lesbian if you're brutally and repeatedly raped, first. ::Beats Terry Goodkind over the head with a very large Sledgehammer Of Queer Feminism::

I love that moment in "Rules of Acquisition," too – one of the major Queer Wins. I love that they have Quark starting to fall for Pel before he realizes she's a lady, too. Quasi-Shakesperean. Oh, Ferengi love. Sigh.

he people on DS9 date [etc]
Yes! This. (And there's always my favorite non-character, Captain Boday.)

I do have a post coming up (still inside my head) on Twoo Wuv in Voyager, giving it a little more credit than its extreme heteronormativity probably deserves. To be seen.

[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

Hahaha… don’t get too excited, it’s only going to be a short one, but I was going through some clips for a vid and I found the bits with them in and they are actually ridiculously flirty and I thought it deserved a ficlet. ;)

Huh, I haven’t read much Goodkind and now I’m not sure I want to. A friend informs me that Legend of the Seeker is made of femslashy goodness, though. But then, she tried to read the books and declared them awful, so.

Hee, yes, that episode is just made of win generally. Now I kind of want to have some kind of queer DS9 marathon. Hmm… thinking about it, that could be a fun variation on a rewatch community…

Ah, the legendary Captain Boday! There should be fic. I wonder if there is?

Ooh, I look forward with interest to that post!

[sophia-gratia.livejournal.com]

You can't read Goodkind unless you're a teenager (or younger) who hasn't yet developed a political consciousness. He makes Robert Jordan look like a radical queer Marxist-feminist revolutionary. Yeeegh.

But this? Now I kind of want to have some kind of queer DS9 marathon.

I am so down.

[cosmic-llin.livejournal.com]

Blech. Oh well, it's clearly too late for me.

And yes! It should be a thing!